EP28: Okay, but does easy living make birds dumber?
Release Date: June 25, 2026A bird's brain is the most expensive thing it owns, and evolution doesn't hand one out for free. Dr. Carlos Botero, Associate Professor at the University of Texas at Austin, has spent a decade tracing what variable, unforgiving environments actually do to bird cognition, and the answer flips a lot of conventional wisdom on its head.
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In this episode
- Why the harshest environments produce either puzzle-solving birds or brute-force survivors
- What the gap in the middle of that distribution tells us about evolutionary strategy
- Why big brains may not have evolved for the reasons the field long assumed
- What a large brain costs a bird in energy, development time, and delayed breeding
- How willow ptarmigan and snowy owls solve the same harsh winter in opposite ways
- Why being among the smartest birds in the sky carries a hidden penalty
Scott Taylor: Growing up I usually had pets. Zebra finches, canaries, fish, hamsters, even a chinchilla for a while. But the one I think about most was a little blue budgie named Buddy. Buddy was social, demanded Cheerios, took baths in the sink and pushed a tiny yellow car around like it was his job. Over time he picked up a few words. Hello pretty bird Buddy. It wasn't a huge vocabulary, but every time he said his own name I felt like I was witnessing something that shouldn't be possible from a brain the size of a peanut. Buddy was, in my mind, the perfect pet. Easy to care for, easy to love, easy to keep alive. So for a long time, I assumed budgies became popular pets because they're, well, easy. But budgies don't come from anywhere easy. They come from the Australian Outback, where they live in flocks of hundreds, sometimes thousands, chasing rain across one of the most boom and bust landscapes on the planet. One year a place is lush, the next it's dust. Budgies have to track water, remember where food was, communicate constantly with their flock, and decide as a group when it's time to pack up and fly somewhere else. That's not the resume of a bird that's casual. That's a bird that's paying attention. Which raises the question I didn't think to ask back when Buddy was alive. If a hard, unpredictable life seems to favor a bigger, more flexible brain, what about birds that have it easy? Are stable, predictable environments the kind of evolutionary off ramp for cognition? Do birds get less smart when they don't have to work for it?
Scott Taylor: The complication, of course, is that brains are expensive. Painfully expensive. As an evolutionary biologist, I think about this trade off all the time. Every gram of brain tissue costs more than a gram of something else. So there's a trade off for bigger flight muscles, a longer gut, faster reproduction, or more fat for a hard winter. A bird's body is the more interesting version of a budget meeting, and the brain is always asking for a raise. Which brings us to the topic of today's episode. OK, but does easy living make birds dumber? To help us unpack that, I'm joined by Dr. Carlos Botero, Associate Professor at the University of Texas at Austin, whose research has spent the last decade rewriting what we thought we knew about brains, environments, and the surprising directions evolution can run. After the break, Carlos walks us through the cognitive buffer hypothesis and the wild plot twist his lab uncovered when they tested it. We get into why, in the harshest places on Earth, non migratory birds split into two camps, the geniuses and the brutes, with almost nothing in between. Stay tuned.
Scott Taylor: Well, welcome back to the podcast, everyone. I'm really excited to have Carlos here today. Thanks for joining us, Carlos.
Carlos Botero: Thank you very much. Thank you for having me.
Scott Taylor: Of course, yeah. And I thought we could start off thinking about, you know, this idea that we think of a hard childhood. We might think of setbacks at the idiom what doesn't kill us makes us stronger. What does a hard life mean for a bird?
Carlos Botero: Well, I, I think that when we, when we talk about hard life, we need to be aware that birds, just like us are exposed to a series of challenges, a series of things that they need to do in life, like finding food and shelter, avoiding enemies or predators, finding the right mate, or navigating space, seasons and social systems. All of those things are kind of like the challenges that universally pretty much every animal has to deal with. And when we talk about hard life, you often think about environments or situations in which some of those challenges are particularly strong. So for example, in really variable places where seasons change dramatically, say for example, places where drought and heavy precipitation happen or when there's winter and summer, really extreme changes in temperature. Those are situations in which a lot of these challenges get to be really particularly acute. So you have you you really need to make sure that you have enough food for the winter or that you need to make sure that you know where the water sources are during the drought. Those kinds of situations are when we talk about when we think about hard life and birds.
Scott Taylor: There's a trade off, right, between environmental stress and cognitive investment. Can you talk a little bit about that?
Carlos Botero: So the expensive tissue hypothesis was originally kind of suggested that other expensive tissues were primarily considered to be things like the gut. So like you don't have like really long like intestines or things that use energy because you just basically can't afford it because a lot of your energy is going to the brain. So you have like smaller, more efficient organs. But in, over the years it has been developed that there are other, there are other expressions of that trade off. So for example, in birds, we see that the flight muscles that consume huge amount of energy. Basically when, when you produce that lift, you're using all this muscle power and you're consuming a lot of energy. It turns out that birds with bigger brains also tend to have smaller flight muscles. And that's kind of like has been considered as as one of those kind of like expressions of, of, of how costly it is to maintain a big brain.
Scott Taylor: Yeah. And that trade off, the flight muscles are are, I mean, for people listening, the flight muscles make up a huge percentage of a bird's body mass, much more than like all of our muscles combined as humans. And so it would make sense that there'd be a trade off between that, like really huge investment in muscle versus brains. And yeah, I think, I don't know. I mean, it makes intuitive sense that the brain would require a lot of energy, but it's probably not something many of us spend a lot of time thinking about that this we're giving our brains so much energy compared to other organs in our bodies. Is it just costs in the context of other organs? Is it just flight muscles or are there other things too?
Carlos Botero: Well, so there's, there's, there's things like the accumulation of fat or other kinds of like specific costs, but there's also some other kind of like indirect cost, like for example, development is much longer. So, so, so usually kind of like, and, and in humans, that's kind of like pretty, pretty evident. Our babies look like basically need a lot of time before they become independent. And like we don't become sexually mature until like way wave takes much longer than other species, primarily because it takes such a long time to develop the brain to the potential that we need. And so the same we see the same in in in kind of species that that like non human animals as well. Basically, there's a lot of investment that goes into making a fully functional brain. And it it is even more so when the brain is a big part of what your life strategy is.
Scott Taylor: Yeah. So what are some like contrast then for birds where like what are some of the birds where there's this longer development time because of the brain needing more investment versus the faster development birds?
Carlos Botero: Also, for example, like crows and ravens, those are highly social animals that so we're not talking about like individuals that take like so many years as humans. But to a compared to other birds, they do kind of like stay together or they connect, stay in family groups and they take longer to kind of like move on to like forming their own groups or even they sometimes they even stay in their groups for for many, many years. So this independence takes longer to achieve in in corvids.
Scott Taylor: Is it generally in corvids or crows and ravens kind of highlight it more?
Carlos Botero: No so so when you look at when you look at the whole corvid, it turns out that crows so that the genus Corvus, those guys have much bigger brains than almost all of the all of the members of that of that family. They also tend to have bigger bodies and they tend to have like this really big wings. So because of the, because of those 3 characteristics, they, they engage basically in a global radiation in over 10 million years. They basically recolonize the entire area that has been that was previously occupied by corvids. And they diversified into lots of different species and changed their, their shapes, their behavior or their habit. That's a whole bunch of other things as as an expression basically of that flexibility that is afforded by having bigger brains.
Scott Taylor: I guess in my head it was just all corvids, but it's interesting that it's the crows specifically like that genus of birds that has this larger brain for body size that has allowed them potentially yet to flexibly colonize a lot of the world. That's really, that's really cool. Your work has looked at how environmental variability kind of shapes some of these trade-offs across species and populations. And I was wondering if you could kind of talk a little bit about what you found and. What? Patterns you found have been surprising.
Carlos Botero: I guess that my my first surprise when I think about the work that we've done on that was the very first project that that I that I developed when I was first starting this research program. At that time, I was really interested in understanding this, this idea known as the cognitive buffer hypothesis, which is the idea that having a big brain and enhanced cognition allows you to basically buffer yourself from pressures of selection. And the easiest way to think about an idea is like we humans kind of like have like clothing that protects us from the elements. We have houses, we, we even have, are able to live in space and to like go underwater for long periods of time by basically modifying the microenvironment around us. All of that is an expression of our intelligence, the accumulated resources, our ability to cooperate, move things from one place to the other. All that is basically an expression of our brain that makes it possible for our puny phenotypes to like be able to exist in almost any conditions. So I was really interesting in that idea because the idea makes a lot of intuitive sense and it's kind of like the basis of a of a lot of what people think about when we talk about the benefits of cognition. And so the idea, the cognitive buffer hypothesis was suggested by John Allman. And the idea was that that basically variable conditions, variable environments were primarily the drivers of the evolution of bigger brains and enhanced cognition basically because when things aren't predictable, when you don't know what kind of pressure you're going to find, being behaviorally flexible could be very beneficial.
Carlos Botero: So that idea basically has two different components. 1 of it is that that basically that cognition buffers you from selection. But the other one is that variable conditions drove the evolution of bigger brains. So we, we tried it to test that by actually like looking at the models that people use to estimate demographic trends in birds. And those basically involve kind of like using a whole series of different parameters to, to try to estimate population changes over time. And one of the models parameters, they statisticians call it usually the nuisance parameters, like the, the stuff that they want to get rid of, which basically it tells you how much populations oscillate over time. And that oscillation for us was really important because we were basically trying to say like, if climatic variability is really driving those oscillations, then we should be able to see that species that have bigger brains oscillate less than species that have smaller brains. So they're, they have more stable populations than others. And what we found was that lo and behold, that result is really strong. There's strong, there's lots of evidence suggesting that indeed climate variability or popular, it's linked to a postulations and brain size.
Carlos Botero: But then we did a second thing, which to me was the very surprising, which is that we didn't stop there. And we start, we realized that there's that, that it's not necessarily, but when two things are related, it's not necessarily because one causes the other. They're just the correlation is not causation. And then we started asking questions. Well, isn't that big brains? Sorry that that that occupying variable environments drove the evolution of big brains? Or could it be that having big brains enabled the colonization of variable environments? So after doing this analysis in many different ways so that we could account for slightly different kind of like assumptions, we discovered that pretty much in every single kind of analysis that we did, it was very clear that the evolution of big brains enabled the colonization of variable environments and not the other way around. So it so basically we found that even though the idea behind the cognitive buffers hypothesis works and it it actually there's evidence for it, it was not the exposure to those conditions that drove the initial evolution of big brains. So to me, that was a huge kind of like big surprise that that basically kicked the can down the road a little bit because we still don't know exactly why the big brains evolved. But I have to say that the more I work with this, I, I think that it's not just a single explanation that most likely big brains evolved for a variety of reasons. So there's many possibilities. 1 is that the kinds of diets that animals had. The other could be the social systems in which they live. Anyway, there's, there's many different things that could have driven the evolution of big brains to begin with. And then that allowed the colonization of that those variable environments. So I guess that was one of the big surprises at the beginning, but there's been actually many others. I don't know if we have time, but I could tell you a couple more if you want.
Scott Taylor: I would love to. Hear more and I think this idea is really important like that there are many reasons you might grow a big brain or many things that might allow you to like food that's nutrient rich or very social living. And then that that can allow you later on to invade these very environments is really interesting. But yeah, tell us more about what what's been interesting and exciting.
Carlos Botero: So another, another surprise, for example, that's a quick one, was that when we started working on this and we kind of found really strong evidence of, of, of this relationship between climatic variability and population stability and this, this idea that, that the cognitive hypothesis was really well supported. We started reviewing the literature and we realized that in basically every paper, including our papers, we were always kind of like talking about it as if these variable environments were kind of like the fertile ground for the evolution of bigger brains. But my postdoc at the time, Trevor Fristoe, who's now at the University of Puerto Rico, Trevor was from Alaska and I had been to Alaska a couple of times and we were talking about this issue. And then we stopped from where we say, like, wait, what about the ptarmigan? The ptarmigans are basically chickens. And they're not really, they're not really that bright. They're not the sharpest tool in the shed. And they live in the most variable places of Alaska. And they're really common. And they're like, they seem to be kind of like in the face telling us that cognition is not usually what they are using to survive in that environment. So when we started thinking about that, we started asking the question, well, what happens with, I mean, like, clearly not every species is doing the same thing. So we looked at it a little bit more carefully. And then we discovered that when you look at the distribution of brain sizes in among birds, it follows a really nice normally distributed pattern with like a central tendency and some variation. But as you move to different portions of Earth, that pattern kind of like changes. So in the tropics that the pattern stays the same as the normal distribution, but as you move northward or actually poleward, you realize that in those really variable regions, you start seeing this this binomial distribution in which you only have like really dumb birds and really smart ones and all the ones in the middle. Disappear.
Scott Taylor: Interesting.
Carlos Botero: And then so, so that really bimodal pattern make us take a second look and then we started realizing that that was associated with very different life strategies or strategies to deal with environmental variability.
Scott Taylor: OK.
Carlos Botero: So on the top end, those bright guys are are basically dealing with this variability by looking at by using kind of like their their brains to find new resources, new resources, be flexible in the way that they search, remember things, cache things during the summer and and and use them in the winter. Those kinds of like cognitive based strategies. But the ptarmigans and the other ones that are on the other end of the spectrum, what they are doing is that they're really focusing on strategies that are basically, they're basically hardy birds. It's basically brain versus brawn. And these hardy birds basically have like usually bigger body size. In the case of the ptarmigan and many others, they have like really big guts. And they're specialized on diets that have a lot of vegetative plant material, which basically means that in the thick of winter when things are really rough, a ptarmigan, basically the only thing that he needs to do is shake off some leaves and eat some of those branches that have like almost no energetic content. But with those huge guts, they're able to digest it and get out enough food to survive enough energy to survive, but not enough to run a big brain. So it's basically like they they specialize on resources that don't give you enough energy, but allow you to survive. And then on top of that, they've added other traits that are very important, which are things like they reproduce like crazily, because usually when, when conditions are really like detrimental. So in the really bad years, a lot of ptarmigans die, but the few that survive reproduce like wildfire and the population kind of like booming together. So it's a combination of like reproductive strategy, the energy sources that they're taking and basically not they're, they're they have selection against against big brains. And in fact, other papers by Daniel Sol and his lab have shown that whereas most bird groups have tended to increase their brain size as they move into variable environments, the galliforms, which is where the ptarmigans live, the galliforms have actually decreased it. So they they've moved into, they've moved into these places by by basically specializing these strategies that that require so many sacrifices. And one of the sacrifices is your brain.
Scott Taylor: So galliforms outside of these variable environments have like a a different brain size to body ratio. As they move into these harsher environments that are more variable, they invest in just brute forcing it through.
Carlos Botero: Yeah, like in the case of the ptarmigans, the gut.
Scott Taylor: That's so cool.
Carlos Botero: That's. Not to say that the tropical chickens. Are bright, That's just to say. They're less problem. They have less cognitive problems than the temperate ones.
Scott Taylor: Yeah, yeah, it's all, it's all on a scale. And no, even a tropical chicken doesn't challenge a corvid like a raven or a crow.
Carlos Botero: Certainly.
Scott Taylor: Exactly. I didn't realize that bimodality piece that's really interesting. But like you said, you know, the investment piece if, if you have to invest a lot of energy in your brain versus in the case of the ptarmigan, they're investing the energy that they do have into their gut into this microbiome like structure that can grow a microbiome, which for most birds, the microbiome is quite simple. But in these these birds like ptarmigan and other galliforms, they have extensive guts that then the bacteria can help them breakdown these really low nutrient food sources.
Carlos Botero: Exactly. And they're like full of cellulose and things that is really difficult for us to break.
Scott Taylor: Yeah. Yeah, I love the idea of just brute forcing it through an Alaskan winter without being creative about it at all. Just.
Carlos Botero: Yeah, those guys like those guys just like rough it up.
Scott Taylor: Yeah, yeah. Versus ravens that are like clever enough to follow wolves around and find their kills and all of this, which is such a different strategy, like you were saying. Or the caching birds, you know, like the chickadees I work on.
Carlos Botero: So other other kind of like related and and interesting tidbits is that, for example, like when you think about cognition and how flexibility allows us to do so many things. One of the kind of like very easy corollaries to take out of that is that you would expect that big birds with bigger brains should be able to occupy a greater range of environments and should be so flexible. So that, and in general that is true at the family level. So things like the Corvus really kind of like occupy the whole world. But it turns out that when you look at the species level, it tends to be that having a big brain in general is associated with having a narrower climatic niche, which for me was a huge surprise 'cause I was expecting to see them everywhere. And it turns out that they're not like they tend to be. They tend to so. The answer to this kind of like mystery is actually like a boring one, but it it just happens that this species with really big cognitive, big brains and, and enhanced cognitive capacities, they tend to occupy environments like the Arctic, which are huge in geographic space. But when you look at it in a climate space, it's actually a very narrow range of climates that they're occupying. So things like Siberia are huge areas like biggest area, kind of like continental area that we have on Earth. But all over it the climate is very similar. So, so these species are occupying really big regions in geographic space, but really small climate niches when you really look at it.
Carlos Botero: So that for me was another kind of like interesting finding and that goes along with other kind of like more nerdy, but also equally important things that we've discovered. Like for example, the fact that this cognitive buffer by, by weakening selection, by buffering you from selection, it basically leads to lower rates of evolution. So when we tend to think about like, hey, climate is changing and species must be adapting, then the paradigm used to be that we think about slow adapters as in greater peril as being in greater peril because like they're not being able, somehow they're not being able to adapt. It turns out that in species with really big brains, slow phenotypic adaptation is not a measure of increased vulnerability, is just a measure that they're not being selected upon so strongly because they're buffering themselves against selection. So one of one of the examples that we've kind of like discovered was that in the last 50 years, there has been a pretty dramatic decrease in body size as the world becomes warmer. And that's kind of like an expression of of something that we call like biologists call Bergmann's rule and this idea that that heat transfer is easier when you have more surface than volume. So as you become smaller, the proportion of surface to volume increases and that allows you to more effectively transfer. And lo and behold, as the world has warmed up loads of species, insects, there are several different taxon. But in birds in particular, we have really good evidence that bodies have become smaller. And when we looked at this trend, but added brain size to the picture, it turns out that yes, everybody's becoming smaller, but birds with bigger brains are becoming smaller at like a third of the rate that birds with smaller rates really brains. And and this is even though our fat, our sample of brain size is just minute compared to the actual sample of. So we, we didn't explore the entire range of brain size because we didn't have data for that. But for the ones that we did was kind of like a third of the total scale. And we already see like 3 times difference in in rate. So it's a, it's a pretty major effect of this buffering with these changing rates of. Evolution.
Scott Taylor: How does that relate to migratory behavior? Like a lot of the birds you've been mentioning that in these temperate regions are resident temperate birds like the ptarmigan or ravens and crows. Does the brain size pattern holds for migratory birds or no? Because they're like moving to, to and away from environments that they want to be in.
Carlos Botero: Yeah. So that story is actually really interesting, but also really complicated. So first I'll start with that bimodal pattern that we talked about in really extreme environments. Yeah, that bimodal pattern happens big only in residents when you add, when you add the migrants to that community, then you see this like it's actually turns out back into a normal.
Scott Taylor: Yeah, they fall in the middle.
Carlos Botero: So basically what is happening is that all those animals with intermediate brain size have too big of a brain size to do the strategy of the ptarmigan because they're, they're spending too much energy for that, but not big enough to like do the kinds of things that crows, ravens and owls do with their bigger brains. So, so those guys are forced to leave because they can't really cope with staying like the with, with either of those two strategies. So, so that basically means that migrants in general tend to be like intermediate brain sizes, not too big, not too small, kind of like intermediate. And also, so when you think about, well, how does that relate with all the things that I've been talking with? So one place that we've been looking recently is kind of like looking at the effect of brain size on, on this migratory journeys that there's birds take. And, and basically what we've been looking at is we know that across the world, across the temperate regions of the world, spring is now tending to come a little bit early. So like all this and, and, and some place actually is coming a little bit late because of like this weirdness of all this climate patterns. But there's changes in spring that are pretty dramatic that are happening all across. And birds basically are starting to arrive at the wrong time of the environmental cycle, which could have huge implications for the reproductive reproductive success and for their survival. Because sometimes they're going to be arriving when it's too cold and all the chicks die or they are in peril, or sometimes they arrive too late and there's not enough food.
Carlos Botero: All this phenological mismatches basically could create really huge problems. So we've been looking lately at, we've been looking lately at this with, with one of my grad students, Ajay Tsu. And what we've, what we've been discovering is that that basically most of the species in North America really are arriving. The, the, the, the mismatch between the changes in environmental cycles and the changes in bird arrival is increasing and, and brain size actually plays a role, but it plays a very different role than we used to think. It it just so happens that when you look at when you look at this patterns, animals that have. So we were assuming, for example, because of this cognitive buffering, that buffering would allow animals that arrive slightly later out of out of the like, out of synchrony with the environmental cycle, right, to kind of like be flexible about it, find out their four sources of food. We basically assumed that it was it would be enough to weaken selection and they would be showing more mismatch than the others because they didn't feel that mismatch that. So they didn't feel the consequences of that mismatch so much.
Carlos Botero: It turns out that they feel that even more and that when you look at species with bigger brains, we find actually that they tend to have to be more phenologically stable than species with smaller brains, particularly after the ones that do longer migratory distance. So there's like an interaction between the two, the 2 terms. And what we think that could be going on is two different things. One is that maybe the cost of like long flights or not long journeys get compounded by the cost of really big brains. So once you arrive to a place and there's not enough food, that's particularly problematic. But the other possibility is that in those journeys, as the animals are moving around, not all of them just go from A to B and then back. They tend to do stopovers in different places. It is possible that having a bigger your brain allows you to kind of like better like be more attuned to like the local changes in the environment and be more strategic as to when you leave those those stopover places. So we don't know exactly if it's an effect of like better information gathering or stronger compounded cost. But the bottom line is that they're not behaving at all as what we thought they would at the beginning.
Scott Taylor: So they're more so the bigger brained migratory birds are better matching the phenological changes that are happening.
Carlos Botero: Yes, and, and that is when we talk about surprising surprises, that's another surprising finding because normally we tend to think about phenological stability as a sign of like, oh, these species are more adaptable. Like if if you're better able to adapt to what is happening, then you're better able to like match the changes in the environment. But it turns out that if you really think about it, there's another alternative, which is that there could be something that that we could call as as population filtering, which is that that in species where selection is really strong and where individuals are just like die if they don't arrive on time, then over the years you're going to see that the few that remain are really much more close to the optimal, but not because they've adapted, but just because the ones that are not so close get. Filtered out, there's just much stronger selection.
Scott Taylor: Yeah, I was thinking about that in that, that, that context, especially in that maybe in the context of what their chicks need to be like to grow up to be successful individuals of that species too. Like if if they're not matched phenologically, and then we get back to this idea that, you know, the brain is metabolically needy, perhaps there's a cost there that you, if you're not matched, you just won't raise chicks that survive. And so there's this really strong selection that leads over time to this better matching. That's really interesting to think about. Can you tell us about how you guys measure brain size in birds? Because people might be wondering that.
Carlos Botero: Yeah. So, so there's many different ways of doing it, but the easiest way is to take specimens in museums and and empty out their cranium and then fill it out with pellets that are like little, tiny little pellets of of lead that we know their volume. And so you fill it out up to the to the specific point, and then you put pour that into a measuring cup and then you figure out the exact volume of the cranial cavity. And it turns out that because, because specifically of the anatomy of birds, birds are always kind of like making sure that they don't have extra things going around because they they're flying and they're always in like war economy basically, yeah. Basically. The, the size of the brain is, is pretty pretty much the same as the size of the cranium. There's not like wiggle room. There's like, so the, the size of the cranium really tells you exactly how big the brain is. Okay, so we use, we use that volume as an indication of how big the brains are in different species. And then when you can convert it also, so some species have also measured kind of sorry, some, some researchers have also measured like wet weight or some other kinds of metrics. But you can always convert from one to the other to have kind of like samples across species. And right now we have a a data set that is around 2526 hundred different species that we have brains for, brain size for.
Scott Taylor: Yeah, speaks again. We had a recent episode about the importance of museum collections, and I don't think anyone would have thought of. Oh, and it's also important for measuring the size of bird brains and understanding how they occupy the environments they occupy. But here, here, here's the evidence of that. That's really cool.
Carlos Botero: Yeah.
Scott Taylor: And and to like the fact that bird bodies are so, so heavily shaped by flight that yeah, they're not going to have like extra, extra anything so.
Carlos Botero: It's war economy.
Scott Taylor: All the time, All the time. People don't think about that. Birds really do live kind of on the edge of all of these metabolic and other pieces of Yeah, kind of on the edge of everything. It's very interesting. All right, We've reached the part of the show we call that's BS or that's bird stuff where we give our guests an opportunity to debunk a myth that ruffles their feathers. So Carlos, what do you want to call BS on?
Carlos Botero: We tend to think that big brains always make things better, but it turns out that because brains are costly, there are situations in which actually they could make things worse. So just like everything, we need to think about cognitive strategies as one of many dimensions of an organisms phenotypes and and it's important to understand that there are limitations and constraints involved with that as well.
Scott Taylor: Yeah, it definitely puts the ptarmigan into context when you understand that it can't do both. It can't be a really cognitively flexible, heavily investing in its brain creature and persist through the winter the way that it does by eating basically sticks. Awesome. Well, thanks so much for joining us on the podcast today. This has been a really fascinating conversation.
Carlos Botero: Thank you very much for having me. This is really really fun.
Scott Taylor: Awesome. Birds are dinosaurs, and around here we like our snacks, so we end each episode with a dinosaur nugget. Today's nugget is in the harshest environments on earth. Evolution doesn't seem to produce average birds. You're either a corvid solving puzzles or a ptarmigan, eating frozen twigs with almost nothing in between. And as the world warms and birds across the board are getting physically smaller, the bodies of the big brained ones are shrinking at about 1/3 the rate of the small brained ones. Their brains aren't making them adapt faster, they're making them feel the pressure less. That's a wrap on this week's episode. OK, but does easy living make birds dumber? If you like this episode, leave us a rating or review or like and subscribe. We'll catch you next time. Byeee.
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